In Search Of The Elusive Black Conservatives

I have been trying for almost five years to have a serious conversation with some black conservatives. I get that it’s possible to be supportive of what used to be considered conservative fiscal policies before Trump came along. I can see that some people could favor small government and have strong views on abortion. What I could never understand is how black conservatives could either actively support voter suppression measures or at best turn a blind eye? I’d like to have a real discussion, not simply repeating talking points but one where both parties tried to understand the other.Maybe each learning something from the other side. My problem was, I didn’t know where to find these black conservatives. I wasn’t really sure they existed.

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I had hopes of finding and talking to black conservatives when I ran across Project 21, they bill themselves as, “the leading voice for black conservatives.” At the time, they had representatives on various Fox News shows, in particular, “Hannity.” They seemed like just the sort of people I wanted to talk to. I went to their website, there were several articles there posted by these black conservatives.It took me a while to realize they never engaged with any of the commenters. On their website, I discovered their relationship with a right-wing think tank, (not black conservatives) and I questioned their independence.

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I wrote a Review which to their credit has never been taken down where I asked where the black conservatives were? I never got a response from any black conservatives although many of the white people that frequently visit the site were quick to point out how black the site was. I give you now that review which over four years later has basically gone unanswered. I’m also providing some of my responses to the well-intentioned folk sticking up for the black conservatives that must have been busy. I’ve included some comments from Lauri Peterson Lombardi who was unfortunately not a black conservative but was representative of the people I could find. I also quoted Timothy A Hallock and some of his remarks. For the record, I did edit some of their comments but only for spelling and grammar as I wanted their ideas to be heard and not to get lost for their misuse of the English language.

 

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I have serious questions about Project 21 and this site. You promote yourselves as the “leading voice for Black conservatives” yet the majority of posts are shared links from conservative blogs whose authors are definitely not Black Conservatives. I have the impression (please correct me if I’m wrong) that Project 21 was founded by a predominantly white right-wing group who still maintains a relationship if not control. I also want more than the constant negativity without balance and sometimes without truth in the commentary.

I can see the value in an organization and site where conservative ideas are expressed and those of like mind in the Black community can meet and share ideas. I’m not sure that I see that here. I also would like to hear what Project 21 thinks about the coordinated effort to suppress votes across the country in order to affect election results. If you deny it exists that will speak volumes if it’s acceptable because the goal outweighs the means that will say a lot also. If you find it offensive but don’t speak out I’d love to know why?”

William Spivey Jerry Dey, I would join in but Lauri Peterson Lombardi lost me at things affecting all parties equally. That and the high levels of fraud she can’t document. Perhaps she would understand the difference between waiting 30 minutes in line to vote vs. 6-10 hours in some locations but I doubt it. Her news is limited to the bubble surrounding her world and simple tools like Google are wasted on her. Happy 2015 and for your own sanity don’t even bring up Gerrymandering.

Lauri Peterson Lombardi Why do you liberals hover over conservative pages looking to pick fights with conservatives? Man–i wouldn’t go on liberal pages–it would just stress me out. Why don’t you guys just go home and stop stirring the shit pot?

William Spivey I came to this site looking for the leading black conservatives purported to be here but I never found any??? You might note this review is pretty old as I stooped coming because there were no black voices to be heard. Only the propaganda put out by the white founders of Project 21. Go ahead and call the main number and see who answers? I came here with a genuine interest as to the black conservative point of view which seems to be against self-interest. I never found even one to talk to so I left.

Lauri Peterson Lombardi let me get this straight–you are a liberal looking for a conservative who is against self-interest? You will never find one. Black, or otherwise. Self-interest is what motivates people to better themselves. It doesn’t mean that one does not care about other people. That is a big misconception.

William Spivey Then you’ll recognize this site was created in the self-interest of someone other than the missing black conservatives. Do you actually know people not intent on bettering their lives?

William Spivey BTW Lauri… how did you like “Selma”?

Lauri Peterson Lombardi how did you like American Sniper?

William Spivey I liked it as entertainment bit also recognize the inaccurate portrayal of the man. I have generally liked Clint Eastwood’s movies although he should leave his chair at home. FYI, I asked a couple white conservatives I know in real life if they’d seen Selma? They weren’t aware of the movie’s existence and didn’t know what happened in Selma or what Bloody Sunday was.

Lauri Peterson Lombardi i know about Selma–never heard of Bloody Sunday. I’m not really a movie person. I haven’t seen any new films.

William Spivey No offensive Lauri but if you don’t know about Bloody Sunday you don’t know about Selma.

Lauri Peterson Lombardi why would I be offended? And is that a character flaw that i don’t know about these movies? Don’t you think its high time we moved on?

William Spivey Bloody Sunday isn’t a movie… it’s the reason the Civil Rights Act got passed because Alabama state troopers were seen on national TV beating non-violent marchers who wanted the right to vote

Lauri Peterson Lombardi i didn’t know

William Spivey They also released dogs on children. You want me to move on from a history you aren’t aware of while the same goals (voter suppression) are still being pursued with different tactics.

William Spivey Got something else for you to look up (also not a movie), “Black Wall Street”.

Note: “Black Wall Street” is in development as a movie and is tentatively scheduled for release in 2019,

Lauri Peterson Lombardi look–I don’t feel guilty for things I had nothing to do with. And I don’t believe that there is voter suppression. If there were, Obama wouldn’t have won twice. And what about the black panthers threatening voters? Is that not suppression? Deal with racism on an individual basis, as you encounter it. There will always be racism because there will always be stupid people–black and white. There’s not much you can do about them unless they are breaking laws. Bottom line–do you really expect me to feel guilty about something I had nothing to do with? Do I owe you something?

William Spivey Lauri… nobody is asking you to feel guilty about anything. I would hope you would attempt to understand American history and how it is being repeated under a different guise. The point you think you’re making about the New Black Panther party happened at a 95% black precinct in Philadelphia where the most they did was open doors for elderly people. Compare that to True The Vote which actively challenges peoples right to vote and is permitted in some areas to stand directly behind them.

Timothy A Hallock I guess blacks aren’t allowed to be conservative. Shame so many racists.

William Spivey @Timothy, maybe you’re purposely missing the point. I’d love to converse with black conservatives. But this site is apparently not the place to find them because there are none here.

Timothy A Hallock It’s ok to talk to white conservatives. Shouldn’t matter.

William Spivey If the group purports itself to be the “leading voice of blàck conservatives” it kinda does matter.

The conversation went downhill from there, I never did find any black conservatives to talk to. I’m still looking if any of you know where I can find some. Please let me know.

 

 

Log Cabin Republicans… Sellouts?

So, the other day President Trump rescinded President Obama’s order protecting Transgender students in schools. The earlier order although held up in the courts; would have allowed Transgender students to use the bathroom corresponding with their gender identification. Because the original order was signed off by the Justice Department and Department of Education. The same two Departments needed to agree to it being rescinded. Apparently Betsy DeVos had misgivings and initially withheld her consent until pressured by Jeff Sessions the Attorney General and Donald Trump.

I decided to check and see what the response was of the Log Cabin Republicans, the organization within the Republican Party that advocates for the LGBT community. I have previously sympathized with the Log Cabin Republicans and had the perception over the years that they were a long-suffering group. Fighting to make headway within an organization that often publicly and privately rejects them. I’ve watched them fight during Presidential election years against language in the Republican platform which was ultimately included. They may have had some victories along the way. I’m certainly not clocking them 24/7 but I’m not aware of any major victories.

I went to their website and read article after article along with an interview of the organization’s President, Gregory T. Angelo. I looked for their response to Donald Trump reversing gains achieved under the Obama Administration and they said… nothing. Now there were congratulations for Donald Trump for not signing an Executive Order that had apparently been written and presented to him which reversed a different Obama order providing protections from Federal contractors. There were hopes for what a Trump Presidency would mean to the gay community. They were invited by the transition team to submit a White Paper which would be duly considered. They acknowledged they were unsuccessful in keeping the Republican Platform from being as hateful as always but they apparently decided not to take them literally.

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There was talk of progress and a great Utah compromise where they worked together with the Mormon Church to carve out some protections while allowing for “religious exceptions.” When Trump nominated Judge Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court. Slate and the New York Times immediately found Gorsuch’s anti-LGBT views and rulings but Log Cabin Republican Republicans promised only to “review his record.” They rely on the hope that President Obama’s order involving contractors will ultimately only be amended as opposed to rescinded. In their only action with even a minimal return, they were all in for Betsy DeVos. And she had their back for a brief moment before ultimately caving.

The thought of what Log Republicans could be is apparently much greater than what they have become. They have become a full-throated voice supporting all the programs of the Republican Party including full repeal of Obamacare, 2nd Amendment rights, and opposing “Radical Islamic Terrorism.” The issues they forgot to stand up for were their own. They are excited about being a full-fledged sponsor at CPAC for the second year in a row which is something I guess.

I don’t presume to tell the Log Cabin Republicans how to be gay. I do recognize when an organization has sold out and they have at least on the leadership level. I say the same thing about Project 21. The “leading voice of black conservatives” which was founded and bankrolled by the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) which is a white right wing advocacy group. They have a website where half the articles are contributed by black members, the other half by their white overseers and no black conservatives can ever be found in the comments section of any post. Need a Project 21 speaker? Call their Speaker’s Bureau and the NCPPR will take your call and hook you right up. I don’t believe the Log Cabin Republicans are wholly owned by some faction of the Republican Party but it seems they might as well be.

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Something the Log Cabin Republicans are good at is asking for money. If I were to seeking the best organization to fight for LGBT issues I’d look long and hard for an independent group not beholden to the Party. Appeasement doesn’t seem to be getting them anywhere.

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